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Posted By: neontek In Response To: Re: Cry Cry the Neon Man (Darryl Thompson)
Date: Thursday, 21 January 2010, at 4:38 p.m.
> My point in starting this post was not to
> start a bitch and not to mount a claim that
> LED moans should not be done here.> My point was “CRY CRY the Neon Man” did as
> it was supposed to do. Make you click with a
> tinge of self pride to defend. When a man
> has something to defend as touchingly as his
> pride, he will read the entire post
> "letter by letter" and absorb more
> trying to find a point to fire back on.> My post is on HELP! Something that in the
> traditional neon shop realm is not found. I
> have been to numerous shops over the years
> and came across some complete idiots. An
> idiot in my book is one that shuts down his
> fires when another bender enters the
> building or refuses to have decent shop talk
> "Mutual Q&A" to better both
> benders.> We are all in the same boat, we all need
> work. Some more than others.> The traditional bender attitude of "I
> know how to do this, I don’t want to help
> competition by sharing" has killed out
> several shops even before the LED rush.
> Educate others, it helps all of us grow as a
> specialty.> There are several guys and gals out there
> that have shared with me on techniques and
> processes. All of the knowledge I have
> gained from them have made me successful
> over the years. I don’t cut my prices to
> beat the other shops in town, I try to make
> a standard price but go overboard on my
> customer service and educating others. The
> secondary is what wins my jobs.> I am waiting to see what type of static I
> will get once we get the LV site up along
> with our school pages. I don’t hoard
> information, I share.
> This will go against several traits of the
> old neon man.> This trade has been damaged for to many
> years and I refuse to let it twinkle away to
> a hobby over the next couple of decades.> Like me or not for it, my 24 hr number will
> still be there to answer questions for
> anyone.> In the near future, there will be a NO COST
> online resource since I own neonguys.org.
> We are going to setup up the site so that
> the general public and enthusiasts can gain
> and share knowledge as there will be areas
> that are for professionals only. The only
> cost of being allowed access to the
> professional area is a scrap of glass and
> the time to email a photo of your individual
> “validation request” to a moderator.> I am with several other people on The Neon
> Group. I do not care for it, even though
> they have a good mission. It is not setup up
> for the smaller shops to be affordable
> membership pricing standpoint.> If we can get the neonguys.org site up and
> running soon it will hopefully become a
> decent community for NEON PEOPLE and NEON
> THINGS. This being said, it’s mission is to
> preserve and advance ourselves in our trade.
> There are plenty of other sites out there
> currently that have neon areas. The sites
> themselves are focused on the sign industry
> and all aspects of it.> The initial thoughts of neonguys.org is for
> commercial benders, artistic benders and
> neon suppliers only. Not for vinyl, LED
> vendors, florescent sign construction or any
> of those vendors. Just to say, before anyone
> jumps, YES, bitch about the LED’s! When you
> gripe, others can see what you have came
> across or learned. Once that information is
> there, others can start milling a way to top
> it or be working on something comparable.> From the look of things, especially my inbox
> there is an overwhelming interest in the LV
> powered neon and some of the things we do
> here to make neon a little more competitive.
> With this in mind, please comment on
> thoughts of if a site with voted moderators
> would be good for us all.> Simply, since a lot of us are to smart to
> pay for high membership dues or just simply
> out of the budget. This could become a good
> thing at my cost.> Darryl
Darryl,
I have not peronally experienced that "I don't want to help" attitude. The poeple I have met have been more than willing to share knowlege.
I like THIS SITE. It is user friendly, free to anyone, informative, and....... has never booted me off for what an administrator would call "stupid remarks" - lol. In watching the posts on this site (more often lately, because of less workload)I have never seen a tech. question go unanswered by different individuals. Very often it is Mark at SVP with info. readily available. He also has a wealth of info. easily accessible on his website, free of charge the last I checked.
Before the internet I subscribed to Ted Persig's "NEON NEWS", which was very informative(I believe this started in the late 80's) and Mark was a regular contributor almost from the start. I'm not a salesman for Mark, but he should be credtited for what he has contributed to our NEON trade over the years.
Good luck on your new site. I just don't see it as groundbreaking or "something new", that is not currently readily available. You could certainly contribute your knowlege on an already existing site.... but then of course you would not have total control of who can say what, or who could subscribe.
I guess I have never experienced the lack of support or lack of access to needed knowlege (it is out there - if you're not being selective in who it is coming from).
Tony D.
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