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Re: LET'S ALL VENT A LITTLE

Posted By: brian phillips
Date: Wednesday, 20 January 2010, at 4:14 p.m.

In Response To: LET'S ALL VENT A LITTLE (SVP Neon Equipment)


> Tony,

> Go ahead and piss, moan and bitch all you
> want about LED's. As you said, if you can't
> do it here where can you do it? I did it one
> time on signindustry.com, who had a lot of
> advertising from LED companies at the time,
> and literally had my posts edited or
> removed! That is why I, as well as others,
> don't go there any more.

> The frustrations and anxiety I mainly hear
> from neon people is centered around two
> things: 1) The false advertising approach by
> most LED suppliers / manufacturers and the
> fact that sign companies have taken the bait
> hook, line and sinker, and 2) The fact that
> any "trained monkey" can stick
> LED's in letters, which eliminates the need
> for skilled labor. This of course is one of
> the major reasons this country is in the
> shape it is in: Most of our manufacturing
> jobs have been deported. Some of it is the
> People's fault and some is our elected
> officials fault. But I won't get in to the
> politics of it here.

> Regarding the first issue of false
> advertising, in a better world there would
> have been numerous class action law suites
> brought against some of the LED suppliers /
> manufacturers demanding that they either
> prove their claims or print retractions
> about the false claims. Along these lines, I
> was under the impression that this was one
> of the things "The Neon Group" was
> going to do, which would have somewhat
> justified their exorbitant membership fees.
> However, I have seen no evidence of this
> happening, nor much of anything else. If it
> is, then they certainly need to let everyone
> know about it. It may actually increase
> membership interest. But so far I have seen
> little more than a couple of poorly done
> adverts in some magazines and some articles
> added to their website. But when you
> consider who is at the helm of the
> organization (the board members) it should
> not be surprising that not much has been
> accomplished.

> The second issue of using unskilled labor is
> another big problem with this country, and
> it boils down to what you touched on: GREED!
> Unskilled labor = less wages to be paid
> which, as you said, = MORE PROFIT. Many sign
> company owners couldn't care less about what
> happens to this country, much less the neon
> industry. They have one thing in their
> sights: Mo' money. If you can show the sign
> company owner how neon can make them more
> money, they may be inclined to listen. But
> presenting the up-front costs to them won't
> do it. The higher price of LED's actually
> works to their benefit: It increases gross
> sales numbers, which makes their company
> profile look better on the books.

> There is no easy answer for the neon
> industry, but I am still alive and fighting
> and a long way from giving up like another
> well known company in our industry has
> recently done. I hope the rest of you keep
> fighting too.

> Mark

Mark I totally agree with you on your discription of The Neon Group so far they have been a joke


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