I am a wholesale neon shop and I don't know your status John, but when a customer wants an estimate on a job from me, I give it to him with the understanding that It is strictly an estimate and I can only give him (or her) a best guess estimate without the actual pattern. All quotes are subject to change when the actual patterns are received. With the patterns in hand I can quote quite accurately. Later.....Don Stone (wallerneon@aol.com)