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Re: NEON- legal or bs ?



Oh what a tangled web we weave............

I would think navigating through this would be very easy if you  consider the
fundamental purpose of certification and try to work within the system.

1. The only reason for certification is to protect YOU from potential
litigation should YOUR installation result in loss of life or property. In
other words, if you install using "commonly" accepted practices and using
certified components, the lawyers will have a tough time squeezing you for
money in the event of litigation.

2. To verify certification, you contact the certifying body, in this case UL,
CSA, etc. and get a written confirmation from them. If they say no, the part
is NOT certified because you do not have written confirmation from the
certifying body to that effect. Plain and simple.

3. It is up to the manufacturer to initiate measures to get their product
listed. It is not uncommon for manufacturers to imply certification and,
sometimes, label their product as certified when it is not. Sometimes a
product may be certified for use under one set of specified conditions and
not under another.... yet the product is loudly advertised as listed....
without necessarily specifying under what conditions....... CAVEAT
EMPTOR..... BUYER BEWARE.............

So to summarize, for your personal protection, especially if you are
concerned about the legal aspect of certification, assume a product as NOT
LISTED unless you have received written confirmation from the certifying body
(in the case when the manufacturer says yes but the written literature says
maybe) or if the manufacturer unequivocally states the part is certified for
use under specified conditions and can confirm (in writing) chapter and verse
of the certification.

Remember, YOU are the ultimate authority when it comes to protecting
yourself. You have very strong protection if the certifying body confirms
certification. You have less protection if you rely only on the statement
from the manufacturer, especially if the company does not have very deep
pockets ($-wise). You have very little protection if you rely on implied
certification in some sales brochure.

Hope I didn't get too wordy,

J.P.