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Re: Cry Cry the Neon Man
Posted By: neontek In Response To: Re: Cry Cry the Neon Man (Darryl Thompson)
Date: Wednesday, 20 January 2010, at 4:34 a.m.
> Tony,
> First and foremost, many of the people that
> supply wholesale neon do have a big
> influence when supplying the glass to other
> companies. As for the assumption of my
> company being a full service sign company
> you are wrong. We do not even build channel
> letter cans. We do the glass in the letters
> for several other people and do on site
> training of UL standards and low voltage
> conversions.> Just don’t think that my knowledge of other
> sign types are weak since I’m primarily
> neon. I have a huge knowledge of CNC
> equipment, vinyl and electric sign company
> operations. I have over 23 years in the sign
> industry with an electrical engineering
> degree.> I have spent a lifetime in neon furthering
> my personal knowledge to the extents of
> keeping myself cutting edge in efforts to
> keep sales alive and ensuring more years in
> the business. 70 percent of the benders I
> have met and have helped in the past have
> been somewhat under the impression that the
> knowledge of just bending the tube is good
> enough to keep them fed. Wrong. The past few
> years have shown that.> Advances in technology and a bad economy
> took out a lot of jobs in the neon industry.
> We all cannot help that the economy took a
> dump, but the bender getting beat out by
> LED’s and forced to abandon the fires is
> partially his or her own blame.> The neon industry has had several
> technological advances in power supplies
> over the past 25 years. Sad thing is that
> most of the older benders first shunned the
> electronics and opted for the old school
> magnetics. I still hear my teachers voice
> ringing “ Boy! Quit looking at those damn
> china buzz boxes, they are just a waste of
> time!”. It is funny now that 95% of the neon
> window signs you see now are all electronic.
> LOL> I can go on and on about the crappy excuses
> that most benders give but that’s not my
> point of starting this thread.> Some of the key points to sum it all up are
> -Suggestions to your end user do go a long
> way when they are presented correctly.> -Play with some of the affordable low
> voltage products that are out. R&D People!
> Introduction of R&D into your shop can very
> lucrative.> -Open your ears to suggestions and kick the
> mouth into neutral for a minute.
> We are all hardheaded and pompous at times.
> Read about the new supplies.> -Once you figure out your low voltage
> combination, Demo it to your client.
> Wholesale clients are impressed with visual
> proof and a way to market it.> -The time you spent typing a bitch about a
> LED can be the time you can better
> “Your” knowledge on a competitive neon setup
> or marketing.> Lastly, if I was not supportive of my fellow
> “brethren” , I would not of wasted the time
> to share an IDEA that makes me plenty of
> money and keeps jobs in our industry.> Damn Tony D. you just made me seem like a
> complete prick. LOL I am actually decent guy
> to talk to in person, text responses just
> don’t do me justice. They just make me look
> rude.> For everyone, I will be setting up an R&D
> site on the low voltage hosted on my company
> site space. Everyone that would be
> interested in access will need to email me
> at darryl@neonguys.com so that the login
> can be sent to you.Darryl,
It wasn't my intent to make you look like a prick (unless of course.....you are one - lol).
I just wanted to point out that many people are in a different situation and your solution does not always work everywhere.
I have also tried to educate others about using alternative power supplies, but there are actually many in the Sign Industry who really don't care.
Power Consumption is one of the big "rants"/lies to sell LED's, but not the main (hidden) one in my opinion. I believe the "hidden" agenda of many full service sign companies is simply... More Profit and eliminating the need for trained craftsmen.
A sign business in my area would rather misinform the public (the end customer) with led propaganda in order to completely strip neon and transformers (12v./electronic/or conventional types)from channel letters and retrofit with LED lighting. Why? MORE PROFIT to sell a whole new lighting system than just fix/improve the existing neon job. Tell me. How do you "win" as a wholesaler in that type of situation ???Your subject line still sounds strange to me.
I have a diversified background too, but don't feel the need to list my credentials. My main passion is NEON. This is a NEON site.
Furthermore, I devote a SMALL percentage of my week to "pissing and moaning" !
I find it provides me with some sort of "balance". ;) If we can't bitch about LED's at a NEON SITE, then where can we ???Thanks,
Tony D.
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